face that their firewalls had been breached by the chinese, that they'd been informed of that by the fbi. and so by doing this, chairman rogers simply is able to raise a larger awareness of it. as for the huawei allegation, we'll see. we haven't seen the report yet and the specifics. >> the reason why the issue has been treated with -- this has been going on over the course of a decade at least. it's not just in technology. it's in other areas of business where intellectual property in general is being stolen, allegedly by chinese hackers and chinese corporations. think of how many u.s. companies we talk about who want to make inroads into china and they fear retribution, being locked out of a market, that's a bottom-line fear. when i heard that these companies were being invested and could face some sort of punishment or blocked from entering the u.s. market, i thought immediately, is cisco going to feel the same impact in china? are other companies going to feel the impact of being able to do business in china? >> chinese cyber espionage has only ratcheted up dramatically over the last